Secluded places to star gaze and see the city lights in LA? -

I live in pasadena, ca I love finding new places to get away and watch the stars and city lights... Any new ideas of where to go? I know Griffith park is a good place to see the city lights but I m looking for more of a secluded place. Kinda like that little dirt path in Altadena you walk too and you sit on dirt no one is around (unless they know about the place but it s pretty small and normally people let you be alone) and you see everything upto the ocean and all.... Kinda looking to find a new place to check out like that. :) any ideas?

The two activities don t go together. If you want to see city lights you won t see many stars because of all the light pollution, and if you want to see lots of stars you ll be too far from any city to see many lights.My best compromise is on Hwy 14 between Lancaster and Mojave about 2 miles north of Rosamond. You re far enough from town to see thousands of stars, but close enough to Lancaster / Palmdale to see a wonderful light show in the valley below.

Angels Point, Elysian Park.Mulholland Drive, just west of the 101 freeway.Angeles Crest Highway, once it opens up again, about 5 miles up from the base of the highway.

The Lookout Roadhouse in Lake Elsinore is probably too far, but you can see stars and the bright lights of Lake Elsinore. The Ortega Highway is always a nice scenic drive, it s even more fun if you have a sports car or a motorcycle. Mulholland Highway, not Mulholland Drive, also has some great places to see stars. It s a very winding road that drops you onto PCH in northern Malibu. It s popular with people on motorcycles and sports cars too. The Rock Store is a popular place to stop for a snack or a drink. They aren t very friendly to non-motorcycle or cool car people though.